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Primaries have started

Post by Fat Bob » 3rd Jan, '12, 08:20

Oh zippeedeedodah! Theprimaries have started in the States, which means a year of bullshit in the papers until the new or re-elected president takes office.

After Obama's win in 2008, I asked what =http://singapore-forum.com/forum/viewt ... e would do. Anyone care to reflect on what he has done in the previous 3 years, how much better off the world is etc?

I see the troops are out of Iraq, and that the country has had a few bombs to set things off.

Afghanistan continues, the Financial crisis continues (but mainly in Europe - not hearing of US issues in the news I read), health care wasn't implemented and society is still shooting up and gunning people down.

Anyone care to paint a rosier picture for me? Especially Obama's supporters in 2007 who still will support him in 2012? What's key for Obama in the next 12 months and what will be key for the next 4 years for either candidate?
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Re: Primaries have started

Post by Kooky » 3rd Jan, '12, 08:52

Well on 31 Dec he signed off on the National Defense Authorization Act for 2012, despite allegedly having "serious reservations" about it. That has to be good, right? :?

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Post by Joseph27 » 3rd Jan, '12, 09:25

In all fairness troops out of Iraq was signed into law under Bush so Obama can't really claim credit for that - he did however increase the troop commitment into Afghanistan dramatically which really hasnt resulted in a stabile country. He did oversee Osama's hit and the downfall of Gadaffi which were victories for him. Health care was a bandaid because the greedy ass health insurers still rob the average amercian, he extended Bush's tax cuts which brought us the impass which nearly clossed down government - all in all I think he has been an average President and needs to get a lot more proactive in the next year. Its hard to see any of the Republicans beating him despite the crappy economy though.
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Re: Primaries have started

Post by Joseph27 » 12th Feb, '12, 06:19

So it's now Feb 12 and the GOP race is still alive which must be making Obama happy - it's almost certainly still going to be Romney and his failure to excite the extreme right of the GOP isn't necessarily a problem for a general election. Santorum’s clean sweep of Colorado, Missouri and Minnesota supposedly keeps the primaries alive however Santorum speaks out blatantly against homosexuality and abortion and is the most conservative in the field... The centralists know this; so what advantage would Romney have gained by appealing to these 60,000 odd red neck assholes who voted for Mr AssJuice Santorum? (see Ricks google problem for that description). To assuage their ultra conservative biases, Romney would have had to give up a few million potential votes in any run off against Obama and though he started bring back abortion and same sex marriage - his comments are more measured with November in mind. That’s the real competition and come November Colorado, Missouri and Minnesota will be entrenched GOP territory regardless of who contests. My prediction will be Romney along with the Latino Senator from Florida - he wont excite the GOP base however and Obama will win it easily
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Post by T2K » 13th Feb, '12, 18:13

We are systematically flawed in the US now, the problems are ingrained, the differences between these supposedly rival parties are just details - it has to get worse before it can get better. The getting better part may be "dramatic".
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