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We've Gone Insane

Posted: 8th Apr, '09, 07:02
by skank-la
Over 50 people dead in 8 random mass killings in the last month here in the USA

Here's today's lastest , this one doesn't really qualify because this is just an everydaygroup murder as the perpetrator knew the victims. I hate my wife so I'll kill her & the kids; now an everyday occurence here..
A man suspected in the shooting deaths of four people, including his estranged wife and daughter, in northwest Alabama was found dead in an apparent suicide, police said.

Kevin Lee Garner was suspected of killing four people, including his estranged wife and daughter, police say.

Kevin Lee Garner's body was found about 200 yards behind his home in Morgan County, Alabama, said Travis Clemmons, chief investigator for the sheriff's office in neighboring Lauderdale County. He was dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Clemmons said.

Garner was a suspect in the deaths of Tammy Garner, 40, his estranged wife; Chelsea Garner, 16, his daughter; Karen Beaty, his sister; and his nephew, who Clemmons identified only as Robert, saying he did not know his last name.

The four were found dead Tuesday morning in a home in Greenhill, Alabama.

Clemmons said earlier that the home Garner lived in was burned, and that investigators were searching it.

A car belonging to one of the four victims was found at Garner's home, he said.

Garner and his wife had a hearing scheduled on Monday as part of divorce proceedings, police said. It had been postponed until Wednesday.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 8th Apr, '09, 07:59
by BoD
You obviously need to ensure that more (or less) people have easier (or harder) access to a wider (or narrower) selection of gun, so that they have a better (or worse) chance of defending (or killing) themselves (or others)

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 8th Apr, '09, 14:50
by T2K
It seems to me that whereas in the past a nutjob would usually just off himself when he/she snapped, now the option of taking people with him/her has entered the common pysche of the US. Though this certainly isn't an American thing only, Europe and Japan have had their share also. Economic turmoil ups the heat though, and as a result more of them boil over.

Societal issue - it's not going away.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 07:10
by skank-la
Gun Permits-What the latest Mass Killings have in Common


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/0 ... 84391.html

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 11:19
by T2K
Exactly. It just goes to show that even seemingly normal and sane humans are the root cause. Societal issues - this isn't going away.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 13:16
by Burbage
Very hard to shoot people if you can't get a gun.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 13:43
by T2K
But not to kill them, which is the point. Murder is murder.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 14:03
by Burbage
Absolutely. The Nazis worked that one out. Guns are for kiddies. If you really want to commit mass murder you need chemicals.

On the other hand, pouring a kilo of sodium azide into a reservoir probably doesn't give the same feeling of macho arseholeism that you get from the feel of a real gun recoiling in your hands.

It's about murder yes. But it's also about acting out a power trip fantasy that other weapons just can't provide. People don't run away from a man holding a knife, or a can of Zyklon B. It's about murder, but it's also about guns.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 14:50
by T2K
Wrong, considering recent examples of multiple murders committed with cars and knives. Guns are just another useful tool, like an SUV or a sushi knife. The constant in the equation is people willing to kill other people. Once that desire exists, the act itself isn't hard.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 14:56
by Burbage
Wrong.

The problem is that we don't know how many psychotic episodes of murder didn't happen because of lack of access to guns. So we can only speculate. Sure some people will use another weapon. We certainly can't be certain that firearm accessibility has no causal effect on the liklihood of mass killings.

The good thing about guns over cars and knives is that guns were specifically designed to kill people.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 15:31
by azzam
Or racoons

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 16:07
by T2K
Thanks for the speculation. I'll add to it more to suppose that knives were almost certainly designed to kill people too, though, like guns, they are tools which can be used for many purposes.

What isn't speculation is that nutjobs can and do kill people with all manner of tools and that is extremely unlikely to stop.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 16:08
by T2K
azzam wrote:Or racoons
Especially raccoons.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 16:26
by Lichtgestalt
But they are so cute....

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 18:15
by azzam
No they are an evil threat to T2K's rubbish and as such must be eliminated.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 9th Apr, '09, 21:03
by Burbage
azzam wrote:No they are an evil threat to T2K's rubbish and as such must be eliminated.
Bet he doesn't try to kill them with a knife.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 10th Apr, '09, 13:10
by T2K
But I've been more successful killing them with a car (2 vs only 1 with a rifle)! Much easier.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 10th Apr, '09, 16:14
by slinky
T2K wrote:But I've been more successful killing them with a car (2 vs only 1 with a rifle)! Much easier.
Sounds like 'entertainment' where you come from consists of getting in the car at night and driving around looking for racoons to off.....gotta love the American South :lol: ;)

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 10th Apr, '09, 16:25
by Lili Von Shtupp
slinky wrote:
T2K wrote:But I've been more successful killing them with a car (2 vs only 1 with a rifle)! Much easier.
Sounds like 'entertainment' where you come from consists of getting in the car at night and driving around looking for racoons to off.....gotta love the American South :lol: ;)
Hell, in some counties it's called "going out for dinner."

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 10th Apr, '09, 16:34
by Burbage
T2K wrote:But I've been more successful killing them with a car (2 vs only 1 with a rifle)! Much easier.
Get yourself a shotgun. Proper guns are designed for killing people, shotguns are designed for killing small defenseless animals.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 10th Apr, '09, 18:50
by T2K
To be accurate, they were possums. And accidental.

Burbage - You do seem to fancy yourself quite the authority on guns and killing people, don't you? My guns and I are unfortunately not in your league, we've never killed anyone nor are we likely to. I'll leave you to it.

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 10th Apr, '09, 19:13
by Burbage
So you'd be completely happy to have all your guns fitted with, let's say, an infra red detector and disabling device so that they couldn't shoot people?

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 11th Apr, '09, 09:35
by Fat Bob
T2K wrote: Burbage - You do seem to fancy yourself quite the authority on guns and killing people, don't you? My guns and I are unfortunately not in your league, we've never killed anyone nor are we likely to. I'll leave you to it.
He is Irish afterall. Hell, you sepos were arming the paddy's for years prior to 9/11! [smilie=tease.gif]

Re: We've Gone Insane

Posted: 11th Apr, '09, 16:47
by Burbage
No, they were giving us the money. The Russians were arming us.